the budget deficit down, that's the thing they keep talking about. >> yeah. >> and it strikes me they have been remarkably successful in doing that. when you look at the debt ceiling debacle that led to the budget control act which has led to the sequester that actually -- >> oh, thank you for this question. it's so far off the course. first of all, the actions taken by president obama and the house democratic congress, house and senate when he became president was the american recovery and reinvestment act, many of the initiatives that he passed are what are coming to bear now including the affordable care act. affordable care act is bringing the cost of health care in our country down in both the public and private sector and that is what is largely responsible for the deficit coming down. we all care about frugality. we don't want to spend any money we don't have to. but we do want to invest in the education of our children, the safety of our neighborhoods and the rest and even if you don't, you have to remember that teachers and firefighters and police officers are consumers. >> right.